Two music nerd pastors take an in-depth dive into the 1988 Public Enemy album It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back. Alonzo Johnson (coordinator, Self-Development of People) and Marthame Sanders (host, aijcast) explore together.

In this special episode, host Marthame Sanders reflects on what the Book of Esther might teach us about speaking - and acting - out in truth.

Part two of our conversation with graphic designer, painter, ordained pastor Lauren Wright Pittman, about the importance of understanding her art as ministry - and vice versa.

Part one of our conversation with graphic designer, painter, ordained pastor Lauren Wright Pittman, about the difference between graphic design and visual art, the importance - and challenge - of representation, and the story behind the aijcast logo.

Part two of our conversation with author, scholar, and advocate Marie Marquardt.

Part one of our conversation with author, scholar, and advcocate Marie Marquardt.

Part one of our conversation with designer/entrepreneur Tea Grandstaff.

Part one of our conversation with designer/entrepreneur Tea Grandstaff.

Part two of our conversation with visual artist and worship leader Janackeh Blackwell.

Part one of our conversation with visual artist and worship leader Janackeh Blackwell.

Part two of our conversation with performance artist and ordained pastor Sally Ann McKinsey.

Part one of our conversation with performance artist and ordained pastor Sallie Ann McKinsey.

We share an episode of our sister podcast, The Ministry Collaborative podcast, which Marthame Sanders produces. In a conversation recorded back in March, TMC’s Content Curator Adam Mixon speaks with Katie Nakamura Rengers, Vicar/Founder of The Abbey and Officer for Church Planting Infrastructure in the Episcopal Church, about growing up Japanese-American in the predominantly white Episcopal Church, ministering with those experiencing homelessness in a gentrifying neighborhood, and the importance of letting go of power and privilege.

Part two of our conversation with Lily Jurskis on James Baldwin, Ta-Nehisi Coates, and the Stations of the Cross.

Part one of our conversation with visual artist Lily Jurskis on the countercultural, contemplative, and punk world of Mr. Rogers.

Part two of our conversation with multi-instrumentalist and chaplain Sam Yenn-Batah.

Part one of our conversation with multi-instrumentalist and chaplain Sam Yenn-Batah about the role that blues, swing, and improv play in music and life.

In a special episode, host Marthame Sanders addresses the current context of renewed protests against white supremacy and police brutality.

Part two of our conversation with Alonzo Johnson on the intersection of revolutionary music and neo-orthodox theology, and the work of Self-Development of People.

Part one of our conversation with pastor-musician Alonzo Johnson on his surprising call to ministry, the gangster and the biker, and traditional African drumming.